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TAELLN411: What is actually happening?

August 24, 2017 Update! The new TAE40116 Certificate IV in Training and Assessment course is now open for enrolments! Please click here to get complete course information. If you already hold the TAE40110, click here to upgrade to the TAE40116.

Updates on the TAE40116  as of 07/04/2016:

  • • The TAE40116 Certificate IV in Training and Assessment has just been released on and is now the latest trainer qualification
  • • Training organisations can still deliver the TAE40110 over the next 18 months, but all students must be transitioned to the new TAE40116 before this period ends
  • • The TAELLN411 –  Address Adult Language, Literacy, and Numeracy is finally a core unit

Updates on the proposed TAE40116 course, the latest TAE40110 course and the TAELLN411 Unit for the Certificate IV in Training and Assessment as of 17/02/2016:

  • • The TAE40110 Certificate IV in Training and Assessment is still the CURRENT trainer qualification (see the screenshot below from taken on 17/02/2016)
  • • The TAELLN411 –  Address Adult Language, Literacy, and Numeracy is NOT a core part of the TAE40110 qualification yet
  • • The proposed new Cert IV TAE qualification will now be called the TAE40116 (instead of the TAE40115) and is not yet released
  • • PwC’s Skills for Australia has been selected as the Skills Service Organisation in charge of developing and reviewing the TAE Training and Education Training Package
TAE40110 Cert IV TAE is still the latest qualification according to


You, like many other trainers, may be confused about the upcoming changes to the TAE training package. Do you need the TAELLN411 unit or not?

The inclusion of the unit ‘TAELLN411 Address adult language, literacy and numeracy’ as a core component of the TAE40110 Certificate IV in Training and Assessment has been pending for years. In 2012 IBSA announced:

“In July 2014 the current elective unit TAELLN401A Address adult language, literacy and numeracy skills will become a core unit in the TAE40110 Certificate IV in Training and Assessment… When the TAE10 Training Package is revised in July 2014 all new and existing trainers will need to hold, or demonstrate equivalent competency for, the unit TAELLN401A.”

Since then, an updated version of the TAELLN401A – the TAELLN411 – has been released (and deemed equivalent – more on this later). The new Cert IV TAE qualification, incorporating the TAELLN411 unit as a core requirement, will be called the TAE40114 Certificate IV in Training and Assessment.

It’s now well past July 2014. The new qualification has not been released. The TAELLN411 is not yet a core unit in the Certificate IV in Training and Assessment. What is happening?

Problem 1

Industry Business Skills Australia’s (IBSA) plan to incorporate the TAELLN411 as a core unit in the TAE40110 Certificate IV in Training and Assessment actually breaches the National Skills Standard’s Council’s (NSSC) Standards for Training Packages:

“The proportion of elective choice in all qualifications must be one third or more of total units required to gain a qualification, rounded up or down to the nearest whole unit (see notes under next point).  The proportion of electives in all qualifications that can be sourced from other qualifications within the host Training Package, another Training Package, or from accredited courses, must be one sixth or more of the total units required to gain a qualification, rounded up or down to the nearest whole unit.”

Basically, at least 1-in-3 units in a qualification must be electives. Since the Certificate IV in Training and Assessment is made up of 10 units, a minimum of 3 units should be electives. The current TAE40110 has 7 core and 3 elective units; the proposed new TAE40114 would have 8 core and only 2 electives. This caused a delay while IBSA decided what to do, but ultimately it was decided to go ahead with the proposed changes anyway.

As RTO Doctor explains: “TAE40114 – Certificate IV in Training and Assessment (proposed) is to be submitted nonetheless in breach of the NSSC rules regarding the number of electives a qualification must have versus the number of core units a qualification must have (flexibility) rules.  The newly proposed qualification will be deemed not equivalent as a qualification because the packaging now has 8 core units and 2 electives instead of 7 core units and 3 electives; yes, IBSA have inserted the TAELLN411 unit into the core!”

Problem 2

There is currently no organisation able to endorse the new training package.

The National Skills Standards Council is supposed to be the endorsing body for major updates to vocational qualifications and units of competency. IBSA develops the new training packages and submits them to the NSSC for endorsement. However, the NSSC was one of the organisations disbanded by the new federal government following the 2013 federal election. Currently, no successor to the NSSC has been created or appointed.

The Industry Skills Council (ISC) can endorse some changes to qualifications and/or units of competency, but NOT changes this major. Therefore, no one has the power to endorse the new TAE training package including the TAE40114 Certificate IV in Training and Assessment. Until something changes (ie the ISC is granted additional powers; a successor to the NSSC is appointed/created; a solution is found under the current rules), the new training package is unlikely to be endorsed.

The Current Situation

IBSA’s TAE update project timeline currently states “…we are unable to say yet what the endorsement date for the new TAE Training Package will be. However it will be sometime after June 30, 2014. We shall advise a date as soon as it becomes clear.”

Once the new TAE40114 Certificate IV in Training and Assessment course is endorsed, accreditation in the TAELLN411 unit “…becomes a requirement for all trainers and assessors and we expect that practitioners will be granted twelve months to comply i.e. until sometime after June 2015. ”

So is the TAELLN411 required now?

Not yet. The new training package has not yet been endorsed, so you are not currently required to hold the TAELLN411 unit.

You can still bundle the TAELLN411 unit with any of our TAE40110 Certificate IV in Training and Assessment course options. We also offer the TAELLN411 as a standalone unit which you can study online or in a workshop.

Unit Equivalency

IBSA has deemed the old TAELLN401 unit equivalent to the new TAELLN411 unit.

RTO Doctor indicates that there have actually been major changes between the TAELLN401 and the TAELLN411. In their words “there are performance criteria that have been deleted, merged, an entire element of competency has been deleted, significant changes to required skills/performance evidence, significant changes to required knowledge/performance knowledge and changes to the assessment conditions are all evidence of why this unit should not have been deemed equivalent.”

However because of IBSA’s decision, if you hold the older TAELLN401 unit, there is no need to update to the new TAELLN411 unit.

Further Reading

There is much more to this story, especially for those managing RTOs delivering TAE package qualifications. Leave your thoughts in the comment section below. For more information, please read RTO Doctor’s comprehensive write up here.

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  • Tony Quirke says:

    I had been wondering what was going on with the anticipated LLN unit. Thanks for the information William. Much appreciated.

  • Jane says:

    Clarity – Relieves the enforced ‘panic’ to complete the LLN, Thankyou……..and I actually work in an RTO that delivers the TAE!!!

    • William Cowie William Cowie says:

      Glad to help Jane! Make sure you keep an eye on the IBSA website for updates and please let us know if you need help with training in the future.

      Cheers, Will.

  • Paul says:

    i am looking to complete the TAE40110 and was going to bundle in the LLN411 we are now in late august 2015 has there been any updates as to changes etc..

  • Donna says:

    Hi, I was wondering if there is any way I can select my own electives for my training plan/schedule.
    If you could please confirm.
    Thanking you,

  • Brendon Kenny says:

    Okay there is a pending addition to the TAE10 (TAE 11) Your organization is quoting a price to complete the TAE 10 and then says you can add the TAE 11 component if you wish for an additional fee? – QUESTION what is the fee?

    Should I undertake the TAE 10 (without the TAE11 bit at a fee?) and sometime later the TAE11 is approved are my TA10 qualifications immediately redundant??????

    • Luke Imbong Luke Imbong says:

      Hi Brendon,

      Here are some answers to your questions:

      1. Yes you can add the TAELLN411 unit to your Cert IV TAE course. You can choose between taking it through Online Self-Paced learning or a 1-day Face to Face Workshop. The regular price for this new unit is $290 (for Online) and $390 (for Face to Face), but there may be special pricing depending on when you enrol. Please enquire and get an infopack by clicking here so you can get notified of the latest pricing.

      2. The TAE40110 is the latest approved and endorsed version of the Cert IV TAE today. You can study it right now even without the TAELLN411 unit. The TAELLN411 unit is a proposed addition, but it has not yet been officially approved. There’s no date yet on if and when the next version will be approved because it is still being discussed by industry regulators.

      3. When the next version is released, your TAE40110 will not immediately become redundant. There are no final changes yet, bu taking up the TAELLN411 unit may be enough to remain current along with some gap training. Again, this is only a proposal for now so the equivalence of the units and the course as a whole may change. How much extra study you need (if any) to update yourself may also vary according to your work experience in training.

      If you have more questions, please feel free to send us a message by enquiring on the TAELLN411 page 🙂

  • Janelle says:

    So what happens with those of us currently studying the TAE40110 course, will we be doing the old LLN stuff?

    • Luke Imbong Luke Imbong says:

      Hi Janelle! Current TAE40110 students can take up the latest TAELLN411 unit to prepare for any possible changes in the future. Our LLN unit is the latest version so feel free to let us know if you have any questions about it by enquiring on the TAELLLN page 🙂

  • sylvia says:

    Hi ive already updated 1 year ago is this another update ?

    • Luke Imbong Luke Imbong says:

      Hi Sylvia! This is an update for a single unit only, not the entire Cert IV TAE course. You likely already have the latest TAE40110 already, but it might not include the TAELLN411 unit. If you have any questions about this, please feel free to send our Enrolment Coordinator a message. Simply click here to enquire on the TAELLN411 page and our Enrolment Coordinator will get back to you.

  • Beverly says:

    I have been told that if I complete TAE40110 by October 2017, there will be no requirement to upgrade to the new TAELLN411.
    Can you confirm?

  • Dee says:

    If I sign up for the TAE40110 course today (June 2017), when do I need to complete it by in order to stay current?
    If I bundle it together with the TAELLN411 unit, is that the best option this close to the changeover?

    Also, what type of teaching environment is required for completion of the TAELLN411 unit? Eg how many practical hours?

    • Joshua says:

      Hi Dee. Getting the TAE40110 along with the TAELLN411 is the best option if you’re looking to advance to the TAE40116 afterwards. As for the teaching environment requirement, our Enrolment Coordinator will be glad to discuss this. Kindly enquire here to get in touch.

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